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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2019, 10:14 PM »
For all you Trump haters We here in the North AmericaThink Trump is the best President in a long time. Look at the economy Brilliant. We Canadians wish he was here instead of the useless Trudeau.   Sure he may be a jokester but he is not a politition   and that is why he is great.
The Brits brought a lot of the unhappiness on their own with allowing mass immigration. Do you not realize the in less that a 100 years  Gone will be the monarchy ,Muslims will rule over you the numbers are inescapable. Even today cities are ruled by anti-British people.

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2019, 11:42 AM »
I try not to get in rows about Politics, religion and football as everyone as there own views but people must be blind if they can't see what is happening around us. But we are over stretched in Hospitals, school and other services something as to change. Fudge

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2019, 04:32 PM »
Hi All, trump is nothing more than a bag of wind. Very much like his Orange blimp. let me remind our friend Brian Seward about his man Trump.

Firstly: In 2016 3,000,000 more American voters voted Democrat over Republican. In the 2018 Mid Terms that figure had risen to 9,000,000. Which means that the MAJORITY of American voters do not want D. Trump. Numbers do not lie. The mid terms 51,000,000 voted Republican and 60,000,00 voted Democrat. (it was basically a vote about Trump and his wall).

Secondly: Trump in two and a half years in office has achieved not ONE single deal. NO deal with China. NO deal with the EU. NO deal with North Korea. NO deal with theTPP. NO deal with Japan. NO deal with India. No deal with Turkey. NO deal with Pakista. and NO SIGNED deal with Mexico or Canada. This is the man who wrote 'the art of the deal'. Yet in 30 months has ZERO deals. This is the same idiot who said "Trade wars are good" then had to give out $30 BILLION of hard earned taxpayers money to keep American farmers afloat because of his stupidity. Just yesterday he was crying that China has not bought any American agricultural products (which means MORE taxpayer dollars to keep the farmers going). Also Yesterday Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin Said the Government was running out of money faster than expected and are now asking Congress to UP the debt ceiling. (which now stands at $22 TRILLION ) trump has added almost $2 and a half TRILLION since coming to office. (this after promising in the 2016 elections that he would rid America of its national debt!!! (yeh, right). Trump will do the same to the country he did to most of his business ventures, (Bankruptcy) He is as bad at business as he is in politics.

Business record:
TRUMP CASINOS. Failed.
TRUMP AIRLINES. Failed. (lost $100 MILLION in 12 months).
TRUMP BEVERAGES. Failed.
TRUMP MORTGAGE. Failed.
TRUMP UNIVERSITY. Failed. (had to settle out of court with ex students for $25 MILLION and close the University or risk fraud charges).
TRUMP TOWER TAMPA. failed.
TRUMP COMMS. Failed.
TRUMP STEAKS. failed.
TRUMP ONLINE. Failed.
TRUMP VODKA. Failed.
TRUMP CHARITY has been forced to close by the New York AG or face prosecution (still ongoing).
In each failed case Trump had to default to his creditors. NO bank in America will lend him money because of his poor business reputation, chapter 11 (bankruptcy) six times. He gets his loans from a German Bank (Deutsche Bank) who themselves have sued him for non payment of a $45 MILLION loan. (he tried to renage).  The TRUMP ORGANISATION was started by his grandmother and passed to his father and then himself with a $350 Million stake.
 
You will NOT see any of this on Fox News. PLEASE do not post back screaming 'fake news' as ALL I have said is in the public domain and can be verified on hundreds of reputable websites. Most Republican viewers on Fox post back shouting FAKE NEWS because they believe what thay hear from Trump.  It just shows that they have not done their research, nothing more. I have said this a hundred times and I will say it again, Trump will bankrupt America and will also Stick it to the UK the first chance he gets.

Just a thought (a long one)......

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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2019, 04:04 PM »
just a thought......
Mm! Obama raised the the debt by 10 Trillion during his  8 years  in office ???.

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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2019, 10:55 PM »
I see you have the Fox News syndrome. Deflect, deflect, deflect. What has Obama to do with Trumps Record on deals and bankrupcy? If you say that Obama added $10 Trillion in 8 years then Trump going off his record of spending up to now, will have added a lot more than $10 Trillion if he stays for 8 years.(he has no chance)

You mentioned Obama so here is a point for you. June 2019 is the 104 Consecutive month of Jobs added to the Economy in the USA. That being the case and trump only being in office for 30 of those months, WHO is responsible for the other 74 Months? Whats that you say.....Obama? Yes 100% correct. None other than Barack Obama.

I am always amazed at the amount of people (Republicans) that just ignore what Trump has NOT accomplished since being in office. They ALWAYS want to say, OBAMA this, or CLINTON that. They never actually comment on what I have written. The reason is rather obvious of course, What I have written is the TRUTH which NO amount of spin ( no matter what Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Pirro and the other Fox News hacks say) will change, therefore people (Republicans) do not address it, because they cannot. The TRUTH is very hard for them so they use the Kellyanne Conway book of 'Alternative facts' where the truth is neither wanted nor needed.

Trump (and his fanboys, Jordon, Meadows, Gowdy and the rest) never get fed up of telling everyone that the Mueller report cost between $25 and $35 Million of taxpayers money (depending on who you ask) with about two dozen indictments achieved. Compare this to the Republican campaign since the 90's and FIVE investigations trying to indict the Clinton's. These investigations cost the American taxpayer in excess of $100 MILLION and how many indictments? NONE. Something else you will not hear on Fox News.

Just Today Trump implied in a series of tweets that the congresswomen ( Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley) weren't born in America and sarcastically suggested, "they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." As usual Trump lied.(or is just ignorant) Three of them were BORN in America and the Other came as a child from the Sudan. Trump is nothing more than a Racist, Facist and a spineless draft dodging coward. ( along with Bolton) He plays to his core base of trailer park trash from the rust belt areas who have no concept of "original thought".

This is the man who said and I quote: "I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know Iím automatically attracted to beautifulóI just start kissing them. Itís like a magnet. Just kiss. I donít even wait. And when youíre a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab Ďem by the pussy. You can do anything" end quote. A real gentleman!!!

To finish off I would just like to say that Trump is also a Bully. He can dish it out on twitter calling women "low IQ", "Dogs", and all sorts of other names but as soon as someone does it to him (think Sir Kim Darroch) He cries like the man child bully that he is. Since Trump came into the White House Integrity, Honesty, Dignity and compassion have disappeared. Thankfully he will soon be gone, one way or another.

Just a thought.....

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2019, 08:13 AM »
Hi All, In this mornings news is a report that Boris (anything you say Donald) Johnson will, within two months of becoming PM, go to America to get a deal. (you can bet Farage will be in the background somewhere rubbing hs hands together and smiling)  That deal will include the following: lowering the agricultural laws we have concerning American foodstuffs (chlorinated chicken, dairy with rBGH, Brominated Vegetable Oil BVO, GM foodstuffs, Most bread products, Beef) Which are banned in the EU (rightly) for their contents. The NHS will obviously be on the table as Trump has insisted. There are many more parts of this 'deal' that will be to the detriment of the British people that you will NOT see in the deal, but they will be there.

Johnson will be legging it off to America DESPERATE to get his 'deal' so he can come back and say " I told you it was a good idea to leave the EU, Look at the deal I have just signed with Trump".
All of this will be to the detriment of Britain. If anyone believes otherwise then I have a painting by Van Gogh you can have for a tenner!!

Just a thought......

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2019, 03:23 AM »
dj...  Give yourself a thought,      1. Trump believe it or not will run away with the Presidency . 2. The recent squad of four AOC,Tlaib Pressley and Omar will eventually sink the Democrat ship. 3 In your list of failures you did not show his wins.   Many first's in over 30 years.
The American public are deathly afraid of "Socialism" I have asked many many US people. 4. Voters in the small states back Trump.so he will win most electoral votes. {I am sure you do not like that system}?.

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 12:27 AM »
Credit where it's due, who would rather have the foreign policy nightmare that Obama left the world with regard to North Korea ?, within months Trump had met Kim in Singapore and then when Kim insulted Trump with a derisory nuclear offer in Hanoi Trump walked out. Then entirely on his own terms Trump invited Kim to meet on the DMZ a couple of weeks ago and Trump even stepped onto Nork soil.
From worst foreign policy nightmare to a step across the worlds most hostile border is a giant leap  towards peace.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2019, 10:09 AM »
Morning all, To Kiwi I say the following: If ANY American administration had the 'Balls' (which they do not) They would lump in Israel with North Korea and Iran when it comes to stopping the so called 'Nuclear prolifiration'. But that will never happen. Why should North Korea or Iran be stopped from joining the Nuclear club? Are their leaders any more unstable than Netanyahu? Or is it that Israel is a special case in these matters? I detest this two faced politics that goes on in the world. I hope Iran and North Korea have massive amounts of nuclear weapons in the future.

Do you think that Bush and his bitch Blair would have gone to war with Iraq or Libya if either one of them had had nuclear weapons? NO. With the Lunatic now in the White House threatening all and sundry having Nuclear wepons is the way to go. It is the ONLY way to stop America from turning on you.

To Brian Seward I say the following: Since last sunday up to and including last nights racist rally Trump has gone the route of the racists. Attacking the 'squad" will rouse his core base (who are mostly rust belt, not college educated people) Because of his attacks on these congesswomen ALL decent Americans have seen what trump actually is. The latest polls have shown that the MAJORITY of Americans think what Trump did was wrong and racist. If you read this mornings American news you will see that at least four of his Republican Congressmen and three Senators have said although they agree with his politics he has gone too far with his racist rhetoric. This is just the beginning. More and more DECENT minded Americans will come out to vote against his racist policy.
If you are a watcher of American politics and history you will know that in the 2016 election most Black and Hispanic voters did NOT vote as a protest against Clinton. When you have a President that tells people of colour to "go back where they came from" what do you think the Hispanic and Black voters will do in 2020? That is the worst phrase you can use in America. Come 2020 you will see that the message that Trump sent out with that comment will be heard by every Hispanic and Black voter in America. As an example I was watching a young black Trump voter being interviewed on TV this morning and he was asked "being a trump voter what did he think of the things trump had said this week". His answer was VERY telling. " I have spoken with many of my black friends and each has said the same thing. We believed in trumps vision of the future, BUT NOT ANYMORE. All my friends have said they will never vote for trump again.
I find that VERY telling. As for the electoral college system in America. At the moment 17 states have said they want to abolish the Electoral system. There must be a two thirds majority in Both houses for it to got the the states for ratification and the three forths of the states must sign to abolish it. this idea of a popular vote is getting closer and closer. One day it will become a strictly popular vote for the presidential elections. Please do not say that all these states are Democrat Because you would be wrong. Arizona, Michigan, Oklahoma all signed on to the popular vote.

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2019, 04:11 PM »
DJ, After your reply to Kiwi you really have the right nickname! and I close this thread. I doubt anyone reads  it.

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 05:59 PM »
Hi all, It seems that mr Seward has the Fox News syndrome. When you know you have lost the argument retreat and have a handy excuse. What I replied to Kiwi is 100% correct. Since the Vietnam war America has invaded the following Countries (with one excuse or another): Dominican Republic in 1965. Bolivia in 1966. Cambodia (which it denied for almost a year. 1967-1975. Grenada 1983.
Panama. 1989 - 1990. Gulf War. 1990 - 1991. Somalia 1995 - 1995. Haiti 1994 - 1995. Afghanistan. 2001 ongonig. Iraq. 2003 - 2011. Libya 2011. Syria. 2014. This does not include the overt operations of the CIA in places like Guatemala, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay, Haiti, Uruguay, Bolivia, Argentina, El salvador to name a few. The one country they have NOT attacked is North Korea because they have Nuclear weapons.

Do you honestly think America would have invaded Iraq or Libya if they had Nuclear weapons? Not in a hundred years. Both these countries were invaded based on Lies, as has been proved. (As was Afghanistan).
So my advice would be either ban and destroy every nuclear weapon (which we know nobody will do) or join the big dogs and get one of your own. I stand by my post. If Israel is allowed atomic weapons why not Iran or North Korea. I notice Trump the worm has already sent nuclear material to his business partner MBS. He has also sent ground troops to Saudi Arabia this last week.

As for your peevish comment about no one reading my post (a rather childish comment) I think you will find your comment is completely wrong. As of today it has been read 296 times.

Just a thought.....

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 10:27 PM »
Morning all, To Kiwi I say the following: If ANY American administration had the 'Balls' (which they do not) They would lump in Israel with North Korea and Iran when it comes to stopping the so called 'Nuclear prolifiration'. But that will never happen. Why should North Korea or Iran be stopped from joining the Nuclear club? Are their leaders any more unstable than Netanyahu? Or is it that Israel is a special case in these matters? I detest this two faced politics that goes on in the world. I hope Iran and North Korea have massive amounts of nuclear weapons in the future.


Careful DJ, you're beginning to sound like that weird Austrian painter......  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 11:38 PM »
Hi All, Hi Kiwi, I have to be honest I did not think you would make such a silly remark. (a bit childish, like the other one). If you equate criticizing Israel and what they have been doing to the Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza Strip for the last 40 years with Anti Semitism all I can say is I have lost any respect I might have had for you.
How anyone can stand by and watch as the IDF murder children and unarmed civilians for doing what ANY occupied people would do is disgusting. Using your 'Austrian' analogy that would be like British unarmed civilians being shot by the German army had they occupied Britain. There is a massive difference between what happens in Israel and being Anti Semitic. I Think my friends in The Jewish Voice for Peace (of which I am a fully paid up member in the UK and America) would find your 'Austrian' reference to me being an anti Semite as rather funny if it were not for the obvious 'YOU' must be Anti Semitic undertone that it conveys. I have sent off copies of both your and Brian's posts to my friends in the Jewish Voice for Peace so that they can also see what I have to go through when I mention Israel. They should get a laugh out of it if nothing else.

In Finishing I am sorry to burst your bubble concerning my non Anti Semitic stance As I really am a Member of the groups I mentioned, but you were not to know that. I, like them, are used to being called Anti Semite even though ALL are JEWISH because we have the audacity to criticize Israel. The IHRA would have the world believe that to challenge the things that Israel do in the Palestinian occupied territory is the same as Anti semitism. I am sorry but it is not nor ever will be.

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2019, 12:06 AM »
Daftjack ( a PROUD member of the JEWISH VOICE for PEACE).

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Jewish Voice for Peace is not a ďfringeĒ Jewish organization. JVP is not merely ďanti-Zionist.Ē JVP is the vanguard of a movement of far-left antisemitism. The new JVP campaign ďDeadly ExchangeĒ ó which alleges a moneyed Jewish conspiracy to kill innocent Americans ó reveals how far JVP has fallen down the rabbit hole.

Oy Veh, sounds like another bunch of USA based loony lefties, the world's gone mad Jack.  :D

Regarding the Red Sea pedestrians and the Palestinians, It'll never end. Both sides have a significant fraction of their population who think god gave them the rights to the same bits of land. Both sides have people who think it's OK to murder people of different religions.

Long lasting conflicts only come to an end when both sides accept that they can't win. The Palestinians certainly can't win. The Israeli armed forces could crush them, but the Israeli government chooses not to make itself an international pariah.

The Israelis can't win either unless they adopt a policy akin to genocide. Israel is a fairly secular, fairly democratic and fairly law abiding state. I think that is likely to change in the near future.

Ultra orthodox Jews were 1% of the Israeli population when the state was founded. These are the people who are exempt from military service and who are paid by the state to study religion instead of working. They tend to have very large families and I read that the population is now 25% ultra orthodox. Soon, they will be in the majority.

The Palestinians are already governed by Muslim fundamentalists. All they can really do is wage a terrorist campaign against Israel. They do that in the knowledge that the response will cost many Palestinians their lives.

Give it a few years and the Israel/Palestine conflict will degenerate into a genocidal war between two groups of religious maniacs. With one side in possession of nuclear weapons and the other side fielding a near endless supply of martyrs, the future looks bleak for the Middle East.

(Kiwi walks away scratching head wondering how the hell we got here from Brexit  :) :) :) )
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2019, 07:54 AM »
Hi All, HI Kiwi, We got here because of the comments from Mr seward and yourself. Again I would like To use your German analogy. In the thirty's in Germany the German Government said "You cannot be German if  you are Jewish". The world was horrified. In 2018 Netanyahu said "You cannot be Isreali if you are not Jewish" Therefore disenfranchising (illegally) Thousands of Arabic Israeli's.
The world said nothing.

The IHRA and their ilk have spent many years and hundreds of millions of dollars and pounds trying to persuade the world that to Criticize Israel for ANY reason is Anti Semitic. This is a complete falacy. Many Jewish people around the world hate what Netanyahu and his right wing fanatics are doing in the name of Israel. The JVP is a great organisation that is denounced in the UK and America as Far left anti semites. This again, is a complete falacy. The JVP is growing in numbers everday and now has a voice in the UK. You yourself have fallen for the same lies as Mr seward that to criticize Israel for what it has done to the Palestinians and its own CITIZENS is some form of antisemitism. It just shows you how well the IHRA have done their job.

We willl always speak out against anyone who disenfranchises another because of his race, colour or religion, Be it in the UK, America, Saudi Arabia, Israel or anywhere else.
Today as we speak, in America, there is a bill trying to be passed in congress (with a massive amount of Israeli money) saying that to support BDS is anti Semitic. So America is following the IHRA and trying to disenfranchise Millions of Americans from their right to boycott. This has to be fought tooth and nail.

As to your comment that Israel is a "fairly democratic and fairly laws abiding state" Surely you JOKE Kiwi? This is a country that kills unarmed civilians and children. Ignore's UN laws. Tells its Arabic Citizens that they are no longer REAL Isaeli's. Steals Palestinian land on a daily basis. Wow you really have been hoodwinked by the IHRA and its minions.

As to the Ultra orthodox Jews a law will soon be passed that says they MUST be conscripted the same as every Israeli citizen.  (hence the new elections).

As usual, just a thought.......

Daftjack.