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The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« on: July 02, 2019, 12:36 PM »
Good day one and all, Very soon the UK will have to leave the EU. In the History of Britain this is probably one of the worst decision's it has ever made. (and believe me, there have been PLENTY). Having fought to get IN to the EU we are now fighting to get OUT. Whilst in the EU we were part of a BIG block of countries that represented Europe (or most of it) and could therefore fight to protect our trade and standards from other countries outside of Europe. We spoke with one big voice.

When we leave the EU all that will disappear. America will want a trade deal that benefits THEM. We WILL be forced to sell the NHS (irrespective of what the politicians say otherwise). We WILL have to lower our agricultural hygiene standards to let American foodstuffs into the country. We WILL be forced to back America in any wars that they might decide to start. All this WILL be the price we pay to do a deal with America.

If you look at what has happened over the last two and a half years with the Moron Trump in the oval office you will understand WHY we need to stay in the EU. America wants to dominate the 21st century as it did most of the 20the. It has threatened Turkey with sanctions if it buys the Russian S-400 Missile system. It wants Turkey to buy the American patriot. It has threatened India with the same sanctions for the same reason. It has threatened Europe not to be involved with the Nord stream 2 LNG project because it wants Europe to buy the more expensive American LNG. It has threatened China, Russia and the EU (including Britain) with sanctions if we do not follow their lead on Iran. (When Iran has stuck to the deal that was made and America did not). America will stop at nothing to destroy ANY country that threaten's its Hegemony and the US dollar. It did it to Libya when Qaddafi threatened to use other currency other than the dollar for its oil payments. It did the same thing to Iraq for the same reason. It has been trying for years to do the same thing to Venezuela also for the same reason. It has banned Huawei the Chinese telecom company because they are the world leaders in 5G technology and America are scared of being left behind. There are MANY more instance's of American bullying to force countries to buy their products. but you get the picture.

If ANYONE in the UK thinks that America is our 'friend' then they are living in a world of fantasy. I have always been, and will always be, a firm believer in 'balance'. If we do not have China and Russia to balance America power and its insatiable ambition to be 'THE' great world power, how much worse would the world be now? For anyone who thinks that China and Russia are NOT democratic PLEASE read the history of American involvement in South and Central America over the last 120+ years and you will see that because of American intervention and destabilisation in these countries (illegally) for the benefit of American politics and Business interest's is the reason that they have an 'immigration crisis' on their Southern border. It is the logical outcome of 120+ years of America's vision of how South and Central America SHOULD look.

So when you see all this Rubbish put about by Johnson, Farage and all the other politicians in the UK who kowtow to America please remember what I have said. In the UK we were strong and part of a group. When we leave we Will become a Minnow, nothing more. To think otherwise is folly.

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2019, 07:50 AM »
Hi Kiwi, Sorry to disagree. I would rather be under the foot of a strong Europe than under the foot of a deranged Megalomaniac country like America. I see that Australia is now thinking of building its own nuclear arsenal because America can no longer be trusted.

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2019, 11:32 AM »
Good day one and all, Very soon the UK will have to leave the EU. In the History of Britain this is probably one of the worst decision's it has ever made. (and believe me, there have been PLENTY). Having fought to get IN to the EU we are now fighting to get OUT. Whilst in the EU we were part of a BIG block of countries that represented Europe (or most of it) and could therefore fight to protect our trade and standards from other countries outside of Europe. We spoke with one big voice.

When we leave the EU all that will disappear. America will want a trade deal that benefits THEM. We WILL be forced to sell the NHS (irrespective of what the politicians say otherwise). We WILL have to lower our agricultural hygiene standards to let American foodstuffs into the country. We WILL be forced to back America in any wars that they might decide to start. All this WILL be the price we pay to do a deal with America.

If you look at what has happened over the last two and a half years with the Moron Trump in the oval office you will understand WHY we need to stay in the EU. America wants to dominate the 21st century as it did most of the 20the. It has threatened Turkey with sanctions if it buys the Russian S-400 Missile system. It wants Turkey to buy the American patriot. It has threatened India with the same sanctions for the same reason. It has threatened Europe not to be involved with the Nord stream 2 LNG project because it wants Europe to buy the more expensive American LNG. It has threatened China, Russia and the EU (including Britain) with sanctions if we do not follow their lead on Iran. (When Iran has stuck to the deal that was made and America did not). America will stop at nothing to destroy ANY country that threaten's its Hegemony and the US dollar. It did it to Libya when Qaddafi threatened to use other currency other than the dollar for its oil payments. It did the same thing to Iraq for the same reason. It has been trying for years to do the same thing to Venezuela also for the same reason. It has banned Huawei the Chinese telecom company because they are the world leaders in 5G technology and America are scared of being left behind. There are MANY more instance's of American bullying to force countries to buy their products. but you get the picture.

If ANYONE in the UK thinks that America is our 'friend' then they are living in a world of fantasy. I have always been, and will always be, a firm believer in 'balance'. If we do not have China and Russia to balance America power and its insatiable ambition to be 'THE' great world power, how much worse would the world be now? For anyone who thinks that China and Russia are NOT democratic PLEASE read the history of American involvement in South and Central America over the last 120+ years and you will see that because of American intervention and destabilisation in these countries (illegally) for the benefit of American politics and Business interest's is the reason that they have an 'immigration crisis' on their Southern border. It is the logical outcome of 120+ years of America's vision of how South and Central America SHOULD look.

So when you see all this Rubbish put about by Johnson, Farage and all the other politicians in the UK who kowtow to America please remember what I have said. In the UK we were strong and part of a group. When we leave we Will become a Minnow, nothing more. To think otherwise is folly.

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You are wrong there, Jack. The UK did not "fight" to get into the EU. Our government signed us into the Common Market (EEC) as it then was. Some years later, we had a referendum to decide whether or not we wanted to remain so, presumably, there were doubts even then. Let's be clear, we never "fought" to join anything. Incidentally, Charles de Gaulle did his level best to prevent us from joining in the first place. There's gratitude for you - after coming to their aid in two world wars.

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2019, 01:07 PM »
Good day Too shy, This is from the UK website. Quote: "The United Kingdom made its first application to join in 1961. It was quickly apparent that there was a danger of political isolation within Western Europe, Commonwealth states were rushing to do deals with the new bloc, and it had American support. This application was vetoed by the French Government in 1963 with a second application vetoed by the French again in 1967. It was only in 1969 that the green light was given to negotiations for British membership.

The United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community (as it then was) on 1 January 1973 with Denmark and Ireland. This proved controversial at the time. The Labour party initially sought renegotiation of membership. This was toned down to requiring a referendum on whether the United Kingdom should remain part of the Community. This referendum was duly held in 1975 with a 67% vote in favour of continued membership" End Quote.

When you apply to join an organisation four or five times in MY book that is fighting to get in. If you wish you can change the word fighting for desperate. If after three attempts you are told no but STILL keep trying, what would you call it?

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2019, 01:21 PM »
As an addendum to my last post,  we must take into consideration that Britain today is a spent force. We have no standing in the world like we used to have. We have the fifth largest economy in the world (by GDP) soon to be overtaken by India. The Only reason that we have any clout is because we are one of the five veto countries on the UN security council. That in itself is undemocratic and will need to change soon. (as it shoud). Without Europe we will be a tiny, repeat TINY fish in a gigantic pond.

Britain will be the minnow in a sea full of graet white sharks.

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2019, 02:15 PM »
I think it is disgusting that the peoples vote as not been carried out yet. I never wanted to go in the Common Market and I voted all them years ago to come out. When it became the EU I was still in the same mind lots of money goes on jobs for the boys . Well I think we will be better of out of it and get people producing  more. Our economy  is one of the strongest countries  in the EU also a lot of the other EU members are not happy and want change. Why should we have to change our laws to and ways to match the others There is no discipline  now Parents aren't  allowed to smack there children, Prisoners have more rights than us and I feel sorry for Teachers, Paramedic police and Firemen who are under violent assaults  while carrying  out there jobs lets get our country and laws back so we can have a better future  for the next generation Fudge

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2019, 03:01 PM »
Good day Too shy, This is from the UK website. Quote: "The United Kingdom made its first application to join in 1961. It was quickly apparent that there was a danger of political isolation within Western Europe, Commonwealth states were rushing to do deals with the new bloc, and it had American support. This application was vetoed by the French Government in 1963 with a second application vetoed by the French again in 1967. It was only in 1969 that the green light was given to negotiations for British membership.

The United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community (as it then was) on 1 January 1973 with Denmark and Ireland. This proved controversial at the time. The Labour party initially sought renegotiation of membership. This was toned down to requiring a referendum on whether the United Kingdom should remain part of the Community. This referendum was duly held in 1975 with a 67% vote in favour of continued membership" End Quote.

When you apply to join an organisation four or five times in MY book that is fighting to get in. If you wish you can change the word fighting for desperate. If after three attempts you are told no but STILL keep trying, what would you call it?

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That's not fighting to get in, that's following the herd. Politicians are always fearful of being left behind/making the wrong choice/being out of favour/being the odd one out etc. It was inevitable that we would make further applications. I was around at that time and the British public weren't one bit interested in what went on in Europe. Take my word for it, we didn't fight.

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 03:39 PM »
 Hi Too Shy and Fudge, We went into the 'common market' for all the right reasons. I was also around long before we went into the EU. When we leave what will we have? Nothing. Everything that was 'great' about Britain has been sold off to other countries. As a manufacturing country we hardly exist. We have no British owned car companies. Very few ships are made in Britain. our passport's are to be made overseas in France. Name me one wholly owned British manufacturing company. There are none. Even BAE is not British owned.
We have become a nation of services, nothing more.

We are so far behind other countries with our technology we might as well be luddites. As for the internet Britain came 35th in a list of 200 countries for speed and coverage. Countries like Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and ANDORRA for god's sake have faster internet than does Britain. We are not even out of the EU yet and already we are having shortages in the NHS with regards to filling prescriptions. I spoke to my chemist the other day he has a sign on his window that says "sorry we are short of some stock because of the problems with supply from Europe". Boots is the same.
British people have not yet grasped how bad the supply of item's from Europe is going to get when we leave.

When you have politicians like Hunt start saying companies are going to go bust when we leave the EU then you know it is going to be bad.  Within two years of leaving the EU (and hopefully it does NOT happen) you will have all these people who voted to leave the EU saying "Not me, I never voted to leave the EU" because they will be so ashamed of the mess they have made of the country.

They will be ashamed because we will be living in a country with Insurance based NHS (having sold it to the yanks). Our social service's will be none existant because it will also have been privatised. People who voted to leave will be saying now "that will never happen" Believe me it will. ANY deal that we do with America, China, Russia and other's will be mostly to THEIR benefit because they are the big fish and it will be 'take it or leave it'.

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2019, 10:18 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2019, 01:02 PM »
Hi Kiwi, That's the good thing about freedom of speech (or in Britain, the lack of). As I said in two years (IF we leave the EU) lets see how many of these' brexiteers admit that they voted to leave. They will all be saying " Not me!! I voted to stay. I knew this would happen". I would rather have the boot of the EU on my neck as opposed to the Deranged Trump and his gang of facists.
Imagine a world with not only Trump in charge but his lickspittle cronies Farage, Johnson and Hunt. We might as well dig up Adolf and Benito and tell them "OK you win".

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2019, 04:19 PM »
I will never change my mind It is not going to be a easy time but the long term will be great. About leaders there is not much between them I also can't stand Corbyn. My youngest grandson went to America to work for 3months and met lots of people he still in touch and they think Trump is great so as you say it is people have the say who they want t lead and I am so glad we live in a democracy society  even if we don't always agree Fudge

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Re: The 'dreaded' BREXIT.......and beyond.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 09:34 AM »
Hi all, I hope you are ready for this....



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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2019, 10:26 AM »
Hi All, going off what I have seen this last few days I imagine that once Boris (I adore Trump) Johnson is prime minister it is only a matter of time that our passports will have to be changed from the red of the EU to the blue of the US of A.  I never thought I would live to see the day that a British (elect) prime minister would not have the backbone to defend our diplomats (or our current prime minister) from verbal attacks by a foreign head of state. (the facist trump). We have now had a glimpse of what the future holds under a johnson Government. Looking at the Tory MP's all I see are people who have thrown their integrity away. Rudd has now changed her mind about a 'no-deal brexit' to get a job in the cabinet. Truss is another one. She wants to lower company tax for rich people. Also she is a supporter of prorogation along with Johnson, Rudd and many more Tory MP's.

Whatever happened to democracy in the UK. Why are all these idiot's rushing to please Trump as if the lunatic could ever be trusted. The man is just like his orange blimp...ALL HOT AIR, nothing more.

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