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Title: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 12, 2009, 01:13 AM
Wonder why Cameron didn't savage Brown when this started to emerge. No party is going to come out of this looking good.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: jan on May 12, 2009, 10:00 AM
Problem is that, as the system stands, a lot of the claims were legally correct.  However, I think most of us would agree that they were morally indefensible.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 12, 2009, 01:26 PM
That Hazel Blears is such a smug little B@$7@4D, she should have fallen on her sword a long time ago. But they all P!$$ in the same pot. Tony Blair has a lot to answer for he is laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: pamela on May 12, 2009, 03:19 PM
I saw on the BBC today that someone  from the Tories claimed to have his MOAT cleaned out ...bloody hell!!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: paul_b on May 12, 2009, 04:22 PM
I totally agree with Musky about Blears. She is so smug, and always as that stupid grin on her face. She is taking the p**s big time. Laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 12, 2009, 04:40 PM
I think the worst case (so far) is Oldham East & Saddleworths M.P. Phil Woolas. 3.99 Bottle of Red Wine 2.99 For Tampax and 1.19 for Panty Liners. All on the same receipt, the mind boggles.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Martin on May 12, 2009, 04:57 PM
Phil Woolas says, yes, they were on the same receipt but they weren't the items that he was claiming for.

Or were you suggesting that it is inexcusable to buy wine for 3.99?

(Surely, if he was going to claim it back from the taxpayer, he would have picked up a more expensive bottle of plonk?)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 12, 2009, 05:18 PM
I cannot ever remember when our politicians were held in such contempt. The gap between the governed and the governors has surely never been so wide! They are all making the most of their time in office. The European Union gravy train however, is another story and makes the Westminster scandal look like petty cash!
I hope people will now start to ask where all our billions paid into the EU coffers ends up. The EU don't like to be asked as they are so very corrupt, un-democratic and wasteful. Why do we give billions of our money to the EU every year without so much as a question asked? After all, the EU hasn't even managed to have its accounts approved by the auditors for the last ELEVEN YEARS!!! Don't give them another penny I say until they put their house in order! If the EU was a business it would have gone bust years ago and its 'directors' would be in prison! Billions wasted and no explanations given and they get away with it all. Compare all that to the metric martyrs who wanted to stick with imperial measures, some people were actually prosecuted and now have a criminal record for selling fruit by the pound!!! Funny world isn't it?
If the government are serious about making savings they could start with the EU!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 12, 2009, 05:29 PM
Martin. Perhaps the wine was a gift for one of his constituents.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: greeny on May 12, 2009, 07:13 PM
hi now they have started on the mps expenses .who will be next the councillors ? ;)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: hoggyman on May 12, 2009, 07:37 PM
Seems strange nobody as said anything about that MP who claimed for the load of manure.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 12, 2009, 09:14 PM
Phil Woolas says, yes, they were on the same receipt but they weren't the items that he was claiming for.

I note he has not started legal proceedings against the Telegraph as he promised on Saturday.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 12, 2009, 09:20 PM
Am I the only one enjoying the delicious irony of Govt data being leaked (yet again) whilst the same Govt are claiming that the ID database will be extremely secure.

I just can't stop laughing  ;D
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 12, 2009, 11:55 PM
If the government are serious about making savings they could start with the EU!

Good point !, and once they are through with the EU they can move onto the UN.

(Cute Pooch on your av Asshe)  ;)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Jean on May 13, 2009, 07:48 AM
Then onto the Royal family and all the hangers on that are costing us a mint !!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: jan on May 13, 2009, 08:51 AM
I should think Mr Woolas would be keeping his head down after his meeting with Ms Lumley  :D  He should be grateful that Spitting Image isn't still in production.  Imagine what fun they would have had with that occasion!!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 13, 2009, 09:28 AM
The Royal Family cost us nothing, in fact, it is one of the few areas of the constitution that actually turns in a profit. At the start of each new reign, the new monarch signs over to the Exchequer ALL the Crown income from Crown lands etc which far exceed the amount the Royal family receive back from the government via the civil list. The taxpayer thus gets a very good deal indeed. In return we have a dignified and dutiful head of state who performs her tasks with diligence and devotion. If you think a republic would be cheaper, then look at the billioins Obama costs the people of the USA. The USA spend more on their Embassy in London than it costs to run Buckingham palace!
Sorry to have to cross swords with you Jean, but you really need to be appraised of the facts before making criticisms of the Royal Finances. 
The value of the monarchy is far greater than any cost involved!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 13, 2009, 09:34 AM
By the way Kiwi, I am so glad you like my Dog!! She is called Poppy and I rescued her via the RSPCA when she was eleven months old! I have had her for three years now and she is my third Border Collie. They are so clever!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Meg on May 13, 2009, 10:38 AM
It's a sign of the times. Now this country doesn't make/manufacture much anymore, the only way people can make money is to take it from the next guy's pocket.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: jaywit on May 13, 2009, 03:40 PM
Was wondering if Martin has really deleted Kiwi's picture or is that his sense of humor?
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: jaywit on May 13, 2009, 04:12 PM
With reference to politicians.I watched Gideons Daughter recently.Stephen Poliakoff seems to have them weighed up to a tee.I had also seen another of his movies but didn't notice any real political stuff.Just greed,maybe that is political stuff?
Gideons Daughter came with an extra dvd by BBC4 Stephen Poliakoff.
I don't rent movies only get them from the library,6 at a time during winter hardly any in the summer.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 13, 2009, 04:21 PM
Perhaps Kiwi must be a handsome looking guy & Martin may be jealous  :)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 13, 2009, 05:30 PM
Just been on Channel M., The innocent Hazel Blears M.P. has payed back 13.332 What's the saying. An attack of conscience is a fear of being watched
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Martin on May 13, 2009, 05:46 PM
Perhaps Kiwi must be a handsome looking guy & Martin may be jealous  :)
Martin hasn't deleted anything (yet). I have allowed the use of these avatar pics on this new forum as they add a touch of interest and allow you to personalise things a bit. If people start misusing the feature by showing inappropriate pictures I can just switch the feature off!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 14, 2009, 09:07 AM
The latest news is that former Labour minister Elliot Morley is paying back 16.000 which he claimed for a mortgage which had been paid off! Understandable really, I mean I suppose any one of us could have problems remembering we had paid off the mortgage!!! Who is he kidding!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 14, 2009, 02:17 PM
Brown has now suspended Morley from the Parliamentary Labour Party!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Jean on May 15, 2009, 06:35 AM
Going back to the Royal family....are you ankering after a knighthood Assheton lol !!!!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Fudge on May 15, 2009, 08:47 AM
I don't like to swear on the board but this is the nearest all political parties P... in the same Pot and look after number one Fudge
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 15, 2009, 09:34 AM
Hi Jean!
no, I am not after a Knightood, but I do believe in our monarchy, very strongly. At the present time with all the corruption among our political leaders, I am just thankful we have a head of state who is above all that kind of thing. The thought of a 'politician' or a politician's stooge living in Buckingham Palace.........
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Jean on May 15, 2009, 10:29 AM
Dont mind the Queen shes a bit stuffy but very respectable, its the rest of them i cant be doing with , for example what does Andrew do for all his millions ? Seems to me most of the time he swans around playing golf and there are plenty more where he came from !!!! Thank God for freedom of speech or my head would have rolled by now lol !!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Mr Chips on May 15, 2009, 11:25 AM
Jean
Follow the link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-and-royals-cost-66p-per-person-855744.html

And you will find that the Royals "cost" you 66 pence last year.

Charles paid over 3 milllion to the tax man  - The Queen  gave up the profit from the Crown Estates which was only 190 million.(She also pays Princes Andrew his butty). If they sold up and went into tax exile which "Head of State"  who took over would bring neary 200million to the table before they got in thier five hundred thousand pound armoured limo to have the State opening of Parliamnet
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: thea on May 15, 2009, 02:46 PM
I had not got a clue phil woolas came from up there i realy an surprised that he is such a drip.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 15, 2009, 06:41 PM
Prince Andrew does an awful lot of hard work representing the UK abroad and helping promote, amongst other things, British trade and industry. He receives no payment from the civil list.
By the way, anyone who has ever met the Queen or knows her even if only slightly, will tell you that she is not stuffy! She has a really fantastic sense of humour, just like her late mother.
The Royal Family have very often been in the vanguard of change too. For example, their respect for the gay community is legendary, 'known homosexuals' were employed by the Royals when prejudice was still rife elsewhere.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Ashtonian54 on May 15, 2009, 07:04 PM
I have the greatest admiration for the Queen! What a legacy.
Who hasn't, at one time, flipped through a book on the Kings and Queens of this great nation?
Names like Ethelred the Unready and so on.

Sad really, the complete lack of integrity on behalf of our elected officials. Such disdain.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: sooty on May 15, 2009, 09:01 PM
how come no-one seemed to have not claimed enough,is someone owed a few quid.still would,nt most people do the same if they thought they could get away with it,i know i,ve fiddled the odd few quid on my expenses,it,s just the amount i suppose.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Fudge on May 15, 2009, 09:24 PM
If it is so easy to do the method should be tighten up so that the system cant be fiddled and people should be more honest. It is not just the MP but our local councillors are as bad and our Union Reps every one is out for a bit more Fudge
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Jean on May 16, 2009, 01:49 PM
Oh dear seems im outnumbered here regarding the Royals !!!! I think we will have to agree to differ lol !!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Fudge on May 16, 2009, 02:06 PM
Hi Jean That is what is so good about this site we all have different view's on lots of topics and that is what keeps it going carry on having your say. Fudge
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 17, 2009, 05:07 AM
Apparently, one MP thought he didn't have to declare anything to the Inland Revenue because he lived on the coast.
I'm going to pinch that one  :D
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 17, 2009, 08:52 AM
Is that your dog in the picture Kiwi? Looks to be a great little character!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 17, 2009, 06:56 PM
Anyway, back to the row over our MPs and their expenses! The soon to be held Euro and local elections will be very interesting! I am taking Norman Tebbit's advice and not voting for any of the three main parties. UKIP get my vote this time and I hope enough people vote for other parties so that some of our arrogant politicians can be taught a lesson and our democratic deficit can be corrected at last!
Watching the news today, one can clearly see why some in parliament fought tooth-and-nail to keep details of expenses being put into the public domain! Some of the claims are mind-boggling. One cabinet minister has been claiming for groceries!!! What is his salary for then???
Sometimes, the press can be a real pain, but I can't help feeling the Telegraph has done a really good job in bringing all the scandal to our attention. This is probably one of the most important pieces of journalism we have seen in the last thirty years!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: lydia on May 17, 2009, 10:33 PM
I'm also voting UKIP this time and after speaking to my son and partner today  they are of the same mind and I think a lot of people will be doing the  same and choosing alternatives from the usual 3 parties.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: GayJ on May 17, 2009, 11:37 PM
Why? UKIP, surely they are more right wing and stand for privelige and the status quo.  Are you talking about local of European elections?
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 18, 2009, 01:08 AM
Is that your dog in the picture Kiwi? Looks to be a great little character!!
Yep, that's Jess our teenage Tenterfield Terrier  ;), born on the Sunshine Coast of Oz and now resident in NZ, she was blind as a bat a year ago but we got her cataracts fixed and now she's able to see movement at around 30ft and can see stationary objects 10 feet away, not perfect but better than needing a seeing eye person  :)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 18, 2009, 10:11 AM
I don't think UKIP are 'Right Wing' and they certainly don't stand for the Satus Quo as regards the EU as they want us to just have them as friends and trading partners and not be ruled by them! I was talking about the European Elections, I don't know if UKIP contest the council ones???
Talking of right wing though, what could be more right wing than this present government!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Martin on May 18, 2009, 11:37 AM
Talking of right wing though, what could be more right wing than this present government!!
You might find out if Cameron gets in! Remember Mrs T?
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 18, 2009, 01:48 PM
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown make Thatcher look positively tame! Aftyer all, she didn't make us the surveillance society we now are. She didn't want ID cards and she didn't introduce terrorism legislation which was then used against ordinary people and even ICELAND! Nor did she attack a foreign country when the vast majority of the people were against such a move. Yes, I remember Mrs Thatcher alright!!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: GayJ on May 18, 2009, 06:29 PM
Anyone who worked in Public Service during Maggie's Reign, remembers her alright. 'Unemployment is a Price worth Paying", "There is no such thing a Community".  She was the chief inspiration for the start of deregulation for the City and the rise of the Champagne supping, Porsche driving Yuppie Vultures who eventually nearly brought everything down.

I am still rather sad that New Labour took us too far the the middle, but without that they were never going to be electable and we would never have got rid of Maggie's legacy.  Labour's downfall was us being best buddies with GeorgeW.  I doubt that if Obama had been president during this same period things would ever have descended into the current mess.

For the first time, I am really confused which way to vote, but am really worried that a vote for one of the minority parties would let the BNP in.  UKIP may sound convincing with their friendly overtures to Europe, but in reality are wolves in sheep's clothing with their own self interest groups to protect, big business, landowners, men in grey suits etc, trying to hang onto as much of their existing powerbase as possible.

Personally, I'm not against ID cards, surveillance, DNA etc - I am not guilty of anything, ifn fact it might protect me from being falsely accused of anything.  I am sure that if the technology had been available in Maggie's day.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Fudge on May 18, 2009, 07:03 PM
Same here I don't know who to vote for this time. I am not against ID cards or surveillance camera's if it helps to reduce crime. Can't say I would vote for BNP as they remind me to much of the Nazi party not sure about the UKIP. I don't want to have the euro and I am glad to say they relented about Pounds and ounces and feet and yard's as I still use them. We are the United Kingdom and we should say what we want not other European Country's . Also I'm not racist but I do think we have over stretched our limit to the amount of people coming in to the country but I must vote because of how the women's Suffragette's fought for women's rights so I will continue to search my conscience till voting day. Fudge ???
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Martin on May 18, 2009, 07:22 PM
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown make Thatcher look positively tame! Aftyer all, she didn't make us the surveillance society we now are. She didn't want ID cards and she didn't introduce terrorism legislation which was then used against ordinary people and even ICELAND! Nor did she attack a foreign country when the vast majority of the people were against such a move. Yes, I remember Mrs Thatcher alright!!!
You forgot to mention coming to power on a slogan of "Labour Isn't Working" and then trebling the unemployment figures, selling off council houses so that we are now desperately short of social housing in many areas, selling off publicly owned utilities so that the profits went into the pockets of shareholders instead of back into the public purse, destroying our coal mining, heavy engineering and manufacturing industries, presiding over a culture of greed and selfishness, and interest rates of up to 15%....
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: pamela on May 18, 2009, 09:03 PM
This is what you get for living in a free society...too many choices !!Over here the president is in for life , there is no opposition at all (makes it much easier ::))phones , computers, tapped no one knows anything , and everyone is afraid to ask , so don,t complain, change the system with your right to vote and get rid of the corrupt politicians , you CAN do it  :)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 18, 2009, 09:18 PM
I think the BNP will take some seats in the Euro elections, Due to the expenses fiasco.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 18, 2009, 10:05 PM
Trouble is Martin, Labour still isn't working! We have just had the biggest rise in the unemployment figures for over thirty years! Also, do you seriously think we should still be burning coal? The environment is in a bad enough state as it is!
I can't really see what is wrong with people owning their own homes? I know social housing is in short supply and this is not helped by council flats and homes being given out to young teenagers. Too many have chosen to get pregnant in order to be housed and receive benefit I am afraid!  This is well documented too.
As for the public utilities, does anyone seriously believe that the state could have afforded to put in the investment needed to bring them up to scratch? We are taxed to death at the moment as it is. Look at the manufacturing industry we have now, during the last twelve years British manufacturing has been virtually wiped out. What do we make here in the UK now?
Why do Labour governments always end in paralysis, chaos and bankruptcy? It happens every time. This bunch came in saying they were going to be whiter than white. They talked of Tory sleaze but with this administration corruption and sleaze are endemic. Add to all this the fact that we have far too much heavy-handed government and too much centralisation and regulation, and the majority of the country will be glad to see the back of them and will breathe a collective sigh of relief when they are gone. Mind you, we wont forget Brown and Co in a hurry as our grandchildren will still be paying off the debts they have piled up!
By the way, if everything Thatcher did was so very bad, why has this government not reversed any of it? The Trade Union reforms for example??
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: GayJ on May 18, 2009, 10:42 PM
This is a really stimulating discussion Assheton, and I would love to discuss all your points one-by-one, but I think we might still be discussing them in 2010. My Mike, and I used to start arguing during Question Time on Thursday evenings and could still be arguing through to Saturday, mainly because he continued to trot out Daily Mail headlines to me as accepted statements of fact, without delving deeper into the actualities.

His arguments changed though as he became redundant and then severely disabled - he then became more aware of his latent tolerance and social conscience.

I still miss the banter!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Martin on May 18, 2009, 11:08 PM
Trouble is Martin, Labour still isn't working! We have just had the biggest rise in the unemployment figures for over thirty years!

The Tories had posters made showing winding dole queues (who were really a few actors who appeared again and again in the same photo) and the slogan was intended to be a pun attacking Labour for having 1 million out of work. However, when the Tories got into power the jobless figures rose to well over 3 million - and that was less than 30 years ago.

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Also, do you seriously think we should still be burning coal? The environment is in a bad enough state as it is!

We still do burn coal. There are still coal burning power stations - in fact there are plans to build new ones (see link (http://"http://www.eon-uk.com/generation/supercritical.aspx")). The trouble is that a lot of the coal now has to be imported from places like Poland. Transporting heavy stuff like coal for thousands of miles is hardly good for the environment.

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I can't really see what is wrong with people owning their own homes?

I didn't say there was, but not everyone wants to or can afford to own their own home. A lot of the people who bought their council homes got caught out when interest rates went up and they couldn't afford the payments.

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I know social housing is in short supply and this is not helped by council flats and homes being given out to young teenagers. Too many have chosen to get pregnant in order to be housed and receive benefit I am afraid!  This is well documented too.

In the Daily Mail, perhaps. It's the kind of story their readers like.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 19, 2009, 12:20 AM
[soapbox]

Cameron doesn't want an election, he's full of $#1t, rather obvious and pathetic really. MP's haven't yet realised that the game is up, after the hammering they will receive at the elections on the 4th I can see the honest MP's realising the real situation and kicking out the dishonest ones.

If the Liberals kick out their dodgy MP's (Flipping homes etc) they can instantly claim to be the only party to have sorted themselves out and to have clean hands as well as promise to make sure that no party has the absolute power that the Conservatives and Labour have misused.

The Lib - Dems could become a serious player if they play their cards right.

Just an idea.....

If I may coin the phrase that has been floating around a bit recently "In a democracy you get the politicians you deserve".

I reckon a General Election should be called, only then will voters get their chance to really show how angry they are. If you then re-elect the troughers then you truly deserve them.

On a side note I really don't believe Gordon or the Speaker have what it takes to reinstall the integrity of the House of Commons. Until both are gone there will be no end.
[/soapbox]  :)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 19, 2009, 07:47 PM
Bill, that is very funny!!!! 
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: greeny on May 19, 2009, 07:51 PM
hi i can see a general election soon , the tories a pushing for it , they say vote of confident in  mps ,they should sack them all and start  again and bring back tony blair  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 19, 2009, 08:02 PM
It would be good to have a general election but I can't see brown going for it. He knows he will lose and so he'll hang on till the bitter end.
An election would be good though and it would give us all a chance to get rid of this rotten parliament and weak government.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 19, 2009, 08:46 PM
TAXI FOR MARTIN.  ;D
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 19, 2009, 10:12 PM
It would be good to have a general election but I can't see brown going for it. He knows he will lose and so he'll hang on till the bitter end.
An election would be good though and it would give us all a chance to get rid of this rotten parliament and weak government.

Exactly, Cyclops is just sowing the ground with salt and any future gubbmints will have to introduce draconian measures to turn the ship around once ZaNu Labour are gone and buried.

The Speaker of the House of Commons was shown on NZTV last night, it wasn't a pretty sight  ::)

Time for a coup ??
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 20, 2009, 09:21 AM
A coup would be great Kiwi! We could then put the Gurkhas in charge of running the country! They would do a great job too!!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: jaywit on May 20, 2009, 02:40 PM
The Gurkha's would stand no nonsense with any unruly behaviour,they were feared by the population in HK when I was there.We had about 3000.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 20, 2009, 07:21 PM
The Speaker is to step down this June. His reward? A seat in the Lords and a pension of 77,000 per year! Nice work if you can get it!!!! How will the poor chap manage I wonder?  I don't know why this government reward failure and corruption with seats in the upper house! Look at Mandelson (is that how you spell it??) he had to resign in disgrace from the cabinet TWICE. His reward? A very lucrative position in Europe and then a seat in the Lords! It beggars belief!
One thing is for sure, now that the national gravy train has hit the buffers you can be sure the political elite will be telling us all how essential the EU is to our national well-being. The EU gravy train makes the Westminster scandal look like a sunday school picnic!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 21, 2009, 05:36 AM
A seat in the Lords

I'd like to know the odds on that happening. I know it has been traditional but, and its a big but, he is the first Speaker to get "removed" from office since 1695. I suppose it can be argued that he has resigned (as others have before him) and therefore left the post under his own steam but we all know the circumstances.

If there is to be a peerage, I would suggest that the only time Brown would dare to do it would be on his way own out after the loss of the next election.

Can you imagine the fallout otherwise?
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Mr Chips on May 21, 2009, 11:56 AM
According to todays Telegraph. James Purnell paid some accountant 395, sorry we paid 395, so he could swap his residences' to avoid capital gains tax when he sold his London flat. What person would need to pay an accountant for something which is common knowledge?

Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 21, 2009, 05:29 PM
The hypocrite!!! This is the guy who believes in forcing work on the unemployed and handicapped and who says that if you are out of work 60 per week is enough to live on! I would like to see him try! Still, he will soon be on the dole himself and looking for a reaL JOB! So will his colleagues!!! Or perhaps partners in crime might be a better description of them!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Mr Chips on May 21, 2009, 06:12 PM
It is going to cheaper to keep them in office. They get their salary for the year 60 odd thousand which 30,000 is tax free, 40 grand to close their office and if eligible a BIG pension - Then they will all get employed as government consultants - quango heads etc . The guy who runs the Immigration thingy is Keith Best  - the MP who got the push (and 4 months jail time, which mysteriously was canceled on appeal)  for multiple privatisation share applications. About half the people who work for the UK in the EU parliament are or were called Kinnock.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: greeny on May 21, 2009, 10:09 PM
hi still no sign of a general election yet , november seems like a good month ;)
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Jayess on May 22, 2009, 01:19 AM
Don't you remember the old song of

"There always be a England the Land of the Free" 

These MP's are taking this literarly & think it means them & them alone.  You should feel really sorry for them, they just cannot afford all the things that the lower class have or so they believe.  There is also the fact they have to have a pension when they are thrown out of  Parliament for who will give them a job when they cannot be trusted. These people would rob their own flesh & blood and smile while they did it.  Jayess
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on May 22, 2009, 04:01 AM
Just in case anybody missed it...........  That arrogant @-hole Steen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8062205.stm)

Words fail me  :-X
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Assheton on May 22, 2009, 09:15 AM
Having listened to the Steen interview, I am forced to conclude the man is stark raving bonkers. The sooner that particular idiot is out of parliament the better for us all!
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: greeny on May 25, 2009, 09:26 AM
hi  wait till they start on the common market,i bet the europe m ps do a bit on expenses to  :D
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Meg on May 25, 2009, 01:52 PM
Just got around to listening to the Steen interview. My God! What arrogance! and what a blxxxdy cheek blaming this Govt for introducing the Freedom of Information Act. Without it, he would have been able to carry on, claiming taxpayers' money for unnecessary frivolities. :'(
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Jean on May 25, 2009, 08:22 PM
Just listened to the Steen interview ....What a toffee nose prat he is, get the idiot out for good >:(
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on May 25, 2009, 08:50 PM
Reported in the M.E.N. tonight that The Wintertons are to stand down. (Now They Know The Gravy Trains Hitting The Buffers) over 50 years of Expenses between them.
 http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1117105_wintertons_to_stand_down
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: musky on June 03, 2009, 06:13 PM
I see Blears has fallen on her sword.
Title: Re: Expenses Sweepstake (Poll)
Post by: Kiwi on June 03, 2009, 11:05 PM
OK, fess up, who voted for Smith and Blears  ;D Mind you it didn't need the powers of Gypsy Rose did it ?  :)